http://www.silverstripe.org/home/ http://www.silverstripe.org/revamped-template-parser-for-silverstripe-3/#PageComment_9106 @peter, I think you're missing the point a bit. SS 3.0 is a significant release for SilverStripe because it represents the official debut of the SilverStripe Framework, which puts them in the same arena as Symfony, CodeIgnitor, and all the other major players. We're no longer talking about just another CMS. This is a standalone PHP framework. But people ask all the time, "Why do we need yet another framework?"

That question is difficult to answer unless you have a good a mount of differentiating factors in your framework, and SilverStripe has done a great job of offering something different than the others. I've used Twig, and I've used Doctrine, Propel, Smarty, etc., and those are all great tools in their own right, but honestly, there are a lot of things I'd change about them, and I much prefer the SilverStripe ORM to Doctrine and the SilverStripe templating syntax to Twig. No contest.

The minute your framework becomes a hodgepodge of third party players all working together, you have much harder time answering that question. Why DO we need yet another framework?

The PHP framework space is a very noisy room, and SilverStripe is doing a good job of making its voice heard by innovating alternatives to mainstream toolsets. Mon, 26 Dec 2011 06:34:29 +1300 Uncle Cheese http://www.silverstripe.org/revamped-template-parser-for-silverstripe-3/#PageComment_9106 http://www.silverstripe.org/revamped-template-parser-for-silverstripe-3/#PageComment_9099 I'll second the "why not Twig?", but for another reason (each to their own on the syntax): why the "Not Invented Here" syndrome endemic in CMS's in general, and Silverstripe in this instance?

First a new template language (when there are a gazillion open source projects you could leverage), and then a new ORM (when there's a few dozen well-tested and maintained ones to choose from).

As a product developer I understand "NIH" (if I write it I *know* it works, and I know exactly how it functions); but as an end-user I don't want to learn a 4th ORM or 6th template language. Seeing projects leverage code maintained by 3rd parties gives me a warm fuzzy feeling that this core library is rigorously tested and maintained (and less likely to have any unspotted security vulnerabilities) - and lowers the barrier of entry to a set of programmers in the community.

I'd be very interested to hear your views, because as a business developing both of these from scratch will have made economic sense, so there's a hurdle I have missed to libraries being widely adopted. Fri, 23 Dec 2011 21:29:23 +1300 Peter Bowyer http://www.silverstripe.org/revamped-template-parser-for-silverstripe-3/#PageComment_9099 http://www.silverstripe.org/revamped-template-parser-for-silverstripe-3/#PageComment_9002 @Dag - I assume you mean you dislike the language itself, and not the implementation? Each to his own I guess, but after a quick scan of the Twig page I much prefer the SilverStripe template language to Twig.

Although we've never really been happy with the implementation of the SilverStripe template language, I've always felt like the language itself solved the problem space pretty well. I certainly don't agree that it's a "mess".

Even if there was a template language that everyone agreed was significantly superior to the SilverStripe template language, there's a lot of difficulty integrating another template language with the SilverStripe framework - for example, most other template languages collect their variables push style, and SilverStripe is designed around a pull style collection.


Mon, 05 Dec 2011 09:15:46 +1300 Hamish Friedlander http://www.silverstripe.org/revamped-template-parser-for-silverstripe-3/#PageComment_9002 http://www.silverstripe.org/revamped-template-parser-for-silverstripe-3/#PageComment_8981 Why not just using something like Twig http://twig.sensiolabs.org/
I really like Silverstripe but the template system is a mess (in my eyes) Wed, 30 Nov 2011 01:02:22 +1300 Dag http://www.silverstripe.org/revamped-template-parser-for-silverstripe-3/#PageComment_8981 http://www.silverstripe.org/revamped-template-parser-for-silverstripe-3/#PageComment_8852 It's so good,thank you. Mon, 31 Oct 2011 19:16:04 +1300 ysbearing http://www.silverstripe.org/revamped-template-parser-for-silverstripe-3/#PageComment_8852 http://www.silverstripe.org/revamped-template-parser-for-silverstripe-3/#PageComment_8789 This sounds really nice, i have been waiting for this. Just 2 days ago i was thinking if there was some place i could write to the dev team, if there was any plans to look at the template parsing. (Actually because of the up issue).
I'm excited to see how this will work out - i have always hoped for something more like PHP Smarty - why reinvent the wheel? Tue, 18 Oct 2011 11:47:00 +1300 Thomas B. Nielsen http://www.silverstripe.org/revamped-template-parser-for-silverstripe-3/#PageComment_8789 http://www.silverstripe.org/revamped-template-parser-for-silverstripe-3/#PageComment_8784 Seems genuinely captivating. Could like to determine certain extra highly developed template usage. Tue, 18 Oct 2011 03:50:20 +1300 forexcasey http://www.silverstripe.org/revamped-template-parser-for-silverstripe-3/#PageComment_8784 http://www.silverstripe.org/revamped-template-parser-for-silverstripe-3/#PageComment_8728 is the best Sat, 15 Oct 2011 02:43:26 +1300 lindi nela gida http://www.silverstripe.org/revamped-template-parser-for-silverstripe-3/#PageComment_8728 http://www.silverstripe.org/revamped-template-parser-for-silverstripe-3/#PageComment_8721 Wauv, this sounds great. I've always loved the simple SS template language, but missed a lot of functions. Looking forward to give this a closer look. Fri, 14 Oct 2011 01:15:39 +1300 Joel Grøndrup http://www.silverstripe.org/revamped-template-parser-for-silverstripe-3/#PageComment_8721 http://www.silverstripe.org/revamped-template-parser-for-silverstripe-3/#PageComment_8720 I like very much the idea of using that new superior template language. it seems quite a challenge for me! Thu, 13 Oct 2011 23:38:57 +1300 Peter http://www.silverstripe.org/revamped-template-parser-for-silverstripe-3/#PageComment_8720